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? we went to the historic swing state of north carolina to find out. >> simon: the prosecution says you're a con man, a thief. what do you say to that? barry landau pulled off the single largest theft of historic artifacts in the united states: thousands of items, including signed documents by george washington, thomas jefferson, francis scott key, and mark twain. and for 20th century buffs... >> one third of a nation... >> simon: ...f.d.r.'s copy of his 1937 inaugural address. all of these were found in landau's apartment? >> all of these documents were seized from mr. landau's apartment in new york city. >> i love you, guy. i love you. >> who has a bigger moustache? hey, there's a good looking woman! >> pitts: shad khan is the newest owner in the national football league. >> i'm jaguars owner shad khan, and i'm all in. >> pitts: his rakish moustache and unflagging optimism have made him a favorite in northern florida, but it's his unique american success story that made him a story for "60 minutes." >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm leslie stahl. >> i'm bob simon. >> i'm lara logan. >> i'm b
with the markets. tyler's off today. simon hobbs is my partner for the hour from the nyse. a lot of pressure in this market today, simon. >> let kick off with the markets. the s & p falling for a third straight day. the nasdaq 100 breaking below its 50-day moving average. intel and certainly apple are weighing on tech he is today. commodities also on the move a big move on oil. full team coverage on cnbc. sharon epperson at the nynex and rick santelli just off camera with breaking news on the bond markets. let's begin with bob here. big move on tech and discretionary. >> 3-1 declining advancing stocks on the flat line until 10:30 or so when the your row, yes the your row, started breaking to the lows of day, euro down, dollars moved up, our market, moved down, this is what happened, prior to 11:00 eastern time. look at the s & p 500. you can see we were not far from the flat line and just drifted right down as the euro hit the lows for the day. elsewhere sectors, you know what is going on with apple, down four days in a row down more than 10% from the recent high, that was september 5th. the
is always on the money, my partner for the hour, simon hobbs is down at the nyse. >> down here on the floor of the nyse, we were hovering around the flat line for much of the morning but the starts have started to take a leg down. we are off our lows. we were down about 63 points on the dow. we've traded slightly higher, just currently down 22 as you can see. good gdp data coming out today but those earnings, not least apple last night, failing to give the bulls enough courage really to drive the market higher. we will see how we fare during the course of the next 60 minutes, sue. back to you. >>> as you just mentioned, positive news on the economy ahead of the elections. u.s. gdp growing faster than expected. it looks like consumers are hanging in there. but corporations are still sitting on the sidelines. our steve leisman is here to break down the data and look at what it all means for the economy ahead. >> we saw from the data this morning a split economy with consumer growth hanging in there. we saw that also with this morning's confidence numbers. business investment though is flat to
at seaside heights. simon hobbs is in for sue herera today. >>> but first, to the aftermath of the storm and president obama's visit to the new jersey coastline. kayla tausche is live in atlantic city. kayla? >> reporter: hi, tyler. we just saw air force one fly right over us and headed likely toward the atlantic city airport. we have tons of residents in atlantic city who turned out very excited, very rambunctious to seat president. it is the first day of sun after days of wind and rain and of course the wreckage of sandy here is evident as a place that used to be home to more of a residential part of the boardwalk. residents would fish off of it and stroll here. not so much the business part of the boardwalk but the wreckage you're seeing here, nonetheless. here in atlantic city the cleanup is just in its early, early stages. some residents who chose to stay behind getting power. i spoke to one resident today who finally got power, got a pump to his basement and started trying to pump out water that had flooded his basement. he was moved to tears when he started talking about watching
medal winner simon cho made a shocking admission. i tempered with a skate by a canadian skater, after being pressured to do so. >> reporter: he says his coach put him up to it, during the 2011 championships, using their mutual korean heritage to manipulate him. in the asian culture, when an elder asks you to do something or makes a request, it is very difficult to deny. >>> the coach's client tells nbc news he won't comment until after the hearing but today, the u.s. speed skating association said they couldn't prove the sabotage was the coach's idea. >> we don't believe there was sufficient evidence to conclude that coach jae su chun directed simon cho to tamper with the skates. >> reporter: olivier jean knew there was something wrong with his skates the first lap of the relay and was forced to withdraw. he used a tool to align the skates, and it could have been extremely dangerous. >> clearly they undermine the sport, so this is a tremendous black eye for the u.s. speed skating. >> reporter: this likely will trigger images of the skating championships in years past, when tonya hardi
growth you are trying to push a deal with simon properties. >> let me explain, general growth has been a good investment and we actually started off with brookfield as a partner and they've been a good partner to date. the problem is that they're pursuing their own agenda to get control of the country. >> let's set the table for a second. >> please. >> there's three companies here. there's general properties, general growth. >> mall company. >> there's simon. >> yep. >> and then there's -- >> brookfield, big shareholder. >> you're worried about brookfield taking over the company. >> correct. >> that's one of your worries. >> without paying a premium. >> and at the same time you're trying to push a deal with simon and unclear whether simon wants to buy the company. >> no, it is clear. >> it is clear? >> yes. >> even though recently they came out and said they don't want to buy the company. >> sure that's what they always say. >> the oldest story in the book, the question of price. >> it's always a question of price. >> so let me lay it out for you. board has a duty to its shareholders t
of growing up. not everyone can be a foster parent... but anyone can help a foster child. >>> simon is raring to go after a business trip. >> we'll return to the program with extraordinary numbers out of greece. the nation says she is destroying the latest with angela merkle there in athens. we'll talk about apple and also ask whether wall street has any longer a credible statesman to represent it on capitol hill. back to you guys. >> we'll see you in a few moments. six stocks in 60 seconds. we'll begin with itw, a downgrade. >> this is a part where i see where we are going into earnings. we recommend the stocks and hope they come down again. >>> sell intel. >> this thing is so hated, you think that they have no yield in a bad balance sheet. >> downgrade of diamond offshore. >> look, i find this questionable with oil. it just is stubbornly high. it is not down. >> research in motion. jeffrey says the ten might be delayed here. >> i thought this was interesting because becky quick got this out of the ceo. now suddenly it becomes common parliament? just watch "squawk." >> raising the price on m
rival's skates before a big competition. he says his coach urged him to do it. we'll talk with simon cho in an exclusive interview in just a few minutes. >>> and are chris brown and rihanna back together? hear what folks are saying about their possible reconciliation three years after brown brutally attacked rihanna. >>> and then we're going to switch gears and tell you about a legal reprieve for some high school cheer leaders in texas. the small town squad was tackling a big issue in school involving football and religion. we'll tell you what it's all about. >>> we want to begin this half-hour with the race for the white house. we are talking one month now until election day. both president obama and his republican challenger governor mitt romney are using friday's jobs report to bolster their campaign arguments. mike viqueira is at the white house. >> reporter: it is a huge number, it's good news for the unemployed, good political news for the president, but at least some people think the news is a little bit too good to be true. campaigning in ohio, the president seized on the new num
for a video. megyn: simon, the use of the phrase "no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation" on the heels of an acknowledgment of 9/11 and having gone to arlington cemetery is not necessarily synonymous with the president proclaiming what what happened n benghazi as a terrorist act. do you take it now as such? >> i first want to say that i don't work for the government, and i don't have a security clearance, and there's an awful lot going on here that we're all trying to make sense of here, so i want to say that on the outset. let me read you what barack obama said the next day, which is he said: so i want all of you to know that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow americans to justice. i want people around the world to hear me. to those who will do us harm, no act of terror -- not no acts, but no act of terror -- will go unpunished. so i think that what is fair right now is what we know is this: in the days afterwards of this terrible act, this tragic act, we knew immediately that military means had been used. this was not like what happened in cairo wh
it. featured speakers include simon johnson, former chief economist with the imf, and karen petrou. this is just over an hour: >> thank you very much. i certainly hope and expect that this discussion will be as stimulating and exciting as the last panel. each of the panelists will speak for about ten minutes, and then we'll have an opportunity for colloquy among the panelists and then open for questions to the audience. we'll go in the following order, scheherazade will start us off, then anna will be second, simon third and karen fourth. so, scheherazade, please, kick us off. >> thank you. thank you, art. it's a pleasure to be here at she leaf's annual event. i will try not to put you too much into a gloomy mood. [laughter] if you're going to discuss the business of trying to predict what possibly is the next financial crisis, i think it's important to discuss the changing nature of these crises. thirty years ago we had what we now affectionately call the traditional type of crisis, only happened in emerging markets, and the contagion of this crisis was regional. so if brazil got
. get your best rest ever from sleep train. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> simon hobbs here to tell us what's coming up at 10:00. >> good morning to you carl. we'll look at whether the $10 same-day delivery from walmart makes it more like amazon. can you profit from that announcement? we'll look at yum!'s earnings, still potential there and you've doubled your money in home depot over the last 14 months. is now the time to take money off the table with home depot? that and more in the next hour of "squawk on the street." >> in the meantime "six in 60." dollar tree. >> i like this call my neptune dollar tree and south have never looked better. >> monster beverage. >> if you're going to put the calories on the sodas look out. this is not what i think the health care officials mentioned this, this is not good cardiac wise. >> morgan stanley downgrading barrick. >> the gold stocks are terrible. plain and simple good call. >> johnson controls downgrade. >> this stock is way too expensive. wouldn't surprise me if it went down to there. >> credit suisse recommended by imax. >>
midnight. what's the scene like right now, simon? >> reporter: good morning to you. welcome to one of the 34 pop-up stores across america that microsoft has launched today taking the message very much the commercial message to the streets. you can see it's busy. they opened this at 10:00 last night. there's 34 stores across america that will remain open until 1:00 monday morning. obviously it's the launch of the surface, the new tablet. you know that. also the launch of windows 8. they want to create the buzz that apple is able to create. they want to take it right on the street. guess who just turned up? the chief operating officer for microsoft, kevin turner, is with us. quite an endeavor to put up 34 outlets like this. i presume you had to train this staff. >> absolutely, simon. today we're opening up 34 of our stores in addition to 30 of our regular stores. we have 64 stores open. we have lines getting people trained and excited. there's excitement around windows 8 and certainly surface. >> i don't see a huge number of surface being sold. >> all of these bought surface and are
media action. >> taking pictures, all that good stuff. our kristen berset and simon lando are going to share some of your pics and details. >> we've been getting tons of great pictures and videos today from all your viewers. we encourage you to keep sending them in. we really want toen what's going on in your area -- to know what's going on in your area as sandy gets closer. simon is here with me. we wanted to share with you guys this video we got earlier today. it's 4-year-old sophia campbell. she had some really great advice for all of you. simon, please play the video. >> this is great. we think you'll enjoy it. >> my name is sophia campbell. live from washington d.c. i'm on news with sandy. sandy can pick up houses, trees and even it can pick up people, umbrellas, trash cans. it can pick up a lot of stuff. >> so what should people do if near affected by the storm? -- they're affected by the storm? >> 911, that's what you call. >> a really brilliant girl there. again getting everything out of your yard, in all seriousness, she had some great advice, getting everything out of you
hasn't changed. here's wall street journal columnist simon constable. >> something has vanished from mainstreet. its trust in wall street. as a result small investors are dumping stocks. in fact, even as the stock market has soared cle to record highs, mutual and exchange-traded fund vestors, a rough proxy for retail stock buyers, have dumped $138 billio, in shares, that's billion with a "b", according to data from the investment company institute. some people will tell you that's because small investors are too emotional and so they make terrible decisions. they were burned by the credit crunch and the popping of the tech bubble and are now are gun shy. in short, the message is, they are stupid because they've missed the recent rally, but maybe they aren't. maybe they are justly shy of shenanigans on wall street. new research shows that one in five chief financial officers of public companies admit to cooking the books. the study comes from professors at emory and duke universities. in a survey they found that about 20% of c.f.o.s used accounting tricks that didn't reflect the compa
has not ♪ >>> 10:00 a.m. coming up. we'll begin with simon huff. hey, simon. >> shawn matthews will be joining us. microsoft, google or apple? we'll also have renown chef nobu on the program. he's opening a hotel in vegas, believe it or not. back to you. >> that jalapeno is the best thing on the planet. meanwhile, six in 60. >> it is a bunch of new products. deutsche says panera remains strong. >> this is the survivor. this is the quick service food people really like. >> credit sweeps goes from a hold to a sell on safeway. >> this is whole foods. trader joe's if it became public would be a sidebar. >> b of a, recommended by sirius xm? >> this really is interesting that the stock could be capped by liberty media, but they went out to give it a $3 price tag. please don't change that. >> wynn resorts, buy it? >> when is a chinese play. you have to believe that the chinese are going to start spending again or it won't work. >> skywork solutions? >> this is one, do they have enough in the apple ipod? do they not? it goes back and forth. >> more of the names, go to our website. >> m
and that result. joining me now, simon rosenberg, a former clinton campaign adds advisor and ben ferguson. when the president claimed he said it was terror at the town hall debate, that he said that september 12, now we see the information coming in in realtime about the 20 guys and how the ambassador was locked in the safe room and we know how it wound up. that was the first question i wondered was if he night was terror. there is no question he knew four americans were dead. but he knew it was terror. was it appropriate for him to go to vegas on the first, you know, the first time he acknowledges we had a terror attack on his watch? >> well, clearly he did because he went. we are at the very ends of this campaign. i'm sure that was not an easy decision to make. but it also was over. it was handled. we had people in place managing this for him. this is a large government. we have a large military intelligence apparatus. i think they made the decision it had ended it had been settled, we were starting to get information coming in and he didn't change his public or private schedule that day. pre
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massive flooding. really cool feature. simon thanks for showing that to us, pictures from up and down the east coast. we want your pictures. we're putting them up on the website as fast as we're getting them. you can e-mail them to us. guys, back to you. >> we've gotten great ones. thank you. and listen, why don't you help us help others. why liking our wusa 9 facebook page. we are donating a dollar for every new like we get. >>> outside right now. doesn't look too bad. topper is along in a minute to tell you how bad it's going to be or how good it's going to be over the next few days. >> let's give you some perspective on sandy. turns out she is the largest hurricane in terms of diameter on record. 945 miles. igor in 2010 was 920 miles. olga in 2001 was 865 miles. let's kind of put this in perspective. we'll move it onshore. if it were located over the tennessee valley it would affect people in des moines down to houston all across the gulf coast, the key west and up to bangor, maine. that is a huge storm. one reason we saw so much damage north of us. okay, the show. here we go. this
day. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> let's get to simon hobbs and see what's coming up. >> good morning, krarlcarl. the ceo of car max will be weighing in on the presidential debate last night. we'll look at same-store sales. kohl's taking it on the chin today in the wake of their falls in sales. and also matt lauer on the "today" show this morning asked mark zuckerberg a very simple question, why around you killing it financially? we'll talk about facebook and play that footage. back to you guys. >> even used the words "killing it." thanks. time for "6 in 60." we'll begin with ryder system upgrade. >> crucial trapt. we need this one higher. i like it. >> holey frontier downgraded at ubs. >> i think it's nuts. we have a big glut of oil. they're a win. >> you had eric wiseman on "mad" last night. >> he's saying, look, christmas shopping is going to be good, great. >> fedex, rbc, cautious. >> i'm a buyer, not a seller. >> cowan like safeway. >> good luck with that. i think this is a whole foods moment. >> and target's raised to bear. >> this is one of the greatest untold
there autographed by simon, by me, jim, david, melissa. did we give it to santelli and david? >> i think we did. >> we'll announce the winner later in our program. maybe it's you. best of luck, we think that pen, by the way is waterproof, but if it's not. >> that's why i signed it on the inside. >> i wasn't sure. i thought it would be safe. it's great. it's a collector's item, really. >> i hope they don't see it on ebay immediately. >> no bid. i like visa mastercard and i like paypal. >> all right. last night on "mad money," in case you didn't watch, he sent it to the shredder. get ready for cramer's mad dash and shoppers and investors, the president of sears and kmart will share his holiday season strategy for giving both stores a much-needed sales boost. >> take one more look at futures hanging on to an implied open about 60 points to the upside after the jobs number. we'll see if it lasts when "squawk on the street" comes back. er. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer. who has the low price tire guarantee... affording peace of mi
strategist and fox news contributor and with us here in washington, simon rosenberg, the president of mdm a center left think tank. all right, simon, let's start with you. gergen, come pro-call and others -- tom brokaw and others joe biden looked a little silly the man was almost 70 years old acting like an eighth grader at the school yard trying to taunt the kid maybe not in the cool crowd. >> look, i think joe biden as you said did what he had to do last night. he was aggressive. he took on paul ryan and the republicans and their arguments in a way that barack obama frankly didn't do in the previous debate. he had energy and vigor which i think is what democrats were looking for. i think you saw joe biden last night maybe not everybody has seen joe biden over the years in debates and other places, but i felt that was the joe biden that i know. and i don't think there was any pretense. as he said, i mean what i say and i say what i mean. >> laura: middle class has been buried in the last four years. that helps the republicans. >> he had a good night. democrats are very happy. as you are
that there would be if the government had cuts of that kind. you had simone campbell on who pointed out that there's a study by bread for the world showing if you took the food stamp cuts, every church would have to come up with $50,000. most churches don't have that money. you shouldn't be cutting people off food stamps and expecting groups to pick up all that slack. >> ryan has said that 30% of americans want a welfare state. 30% of people are takers. how does he square those comments with this visit here? what was it all about? >> i think it's been clear for awhile, especially since the 47% video, that the republicans said whoops, where did that compassionate conservatism go. we better show we have a heart somehow because those comments are hurting us. they don't want to talk about budgets. they want to put out feel-good words and mitt romney offered some of those in the first debate. and they want to give us pictures that say we have big hearts. well, you can't make bricks without straw. show us what your priorities are. some of it should come from voluntarily contributions, but we built these
simon, chief political columnist for politico oonld jacky kucinich who writing politics. let's talk about candy crowley, did she insert herself too much as a moderator? >> not at all. she did exactly what she was supposed to do. why do they have journalists be moderators? why don't they have a time keep teller? they want to have a gloss of journalism so it doesn't look like reality tv, but they don't want journalists to really be journalists. they just want them to play journalists on tv. candy crowley was a journalist. she called out truth when truth needed to bo called out. she added perspective. she did what she was supposed to. do you could tell which campaign thinks it lost by who attacks the moderator most. >> i have observed that. should a moderator attempt to correct the record in realtime if he or she believes the candidate has said something wrong? >> i think absolutely. she called it for romney but also president obama. whoever's complaining at the end of the debate probably last. think candy did her job. some think she did that too much. in many ways town hall folks didn
together. next "extra," simon and britney attling it out on "extra. >> i'm going to n. >> no, i'm going to win. >> terri's exclusive interview before the "x-factor" goes live. ext "extra. >> up next, the perfect storm, rrible path of destruction, the most unbelievable mages. then is this jersey shark video hoax? the man at the center of the storm, the weather chael's jim cantore. e're uncovering lost video and his shirtless shot, coming p. > "extra" is like no other how on television. > arnold schwarzenegger. > sofia vergara. snooki, get on up here, irl. > it's headline making, it's news making. >> every day, new stars. every day -- >> jennifer lopez. >> a live event. > every day -- >> you guys ready? > "extra" gives you a show for entertainment. > n next "extra," dramatic new video from maria's hurricane diary. and e woman america is talking about, m mayayor bloomberg's sign language intereter. welcome to "extra" here in a new york city. battery park along with jim cantore from the weather channel. he's been covering this from every angle. mario, we've seen some unbelievable pictures f
ahmadinejad and the country's supreme leader ayatollah khomeni. joining me simon henderson, director of the gulf and energy policy at the washington institute for near east policy. thanks so much for joining us. let me get your reaction. what do you think of these new sanctions? >> will they help? will they do the business? probably not. we need more than that and it's, as you probably realize, or no already, there's an argument which is that sanctions aren't going to do the business anyway. they won't change the mind of tehran on its nuclear program. melissa: yeah, let's start with the new sanctions first, kind of what they are. they're supposed to close the existing loopholes in the sanctions. another thing they do is add penalties for companies who aid iran's business sector. sounds like things we should have been doing anyway. >> yeah, but you can always think of other little niches that you've got to cut off and this is what they're doing. if, i was cynical of course i'm not very cynical, i would say that the obama administration is taking opportunity to do something else which
to the 10 a.m. you have to go through simon hobbs first. >> good morning. we'll talk about citigroup at some length. two analysts, one think it's quite nervous and another believes the stock could rise 30% and the man leading microsoft's foray into online music. why are they being so beastly to pandora and spotify and randi zuckerberg will be here. >> with a fantastic role model. six in 60. rio tinto. >> goldman says this iron move is over. sell the stocks. >> b of a. >> these stocks they've been terrible but this one held up well. >> google, big investor meeting. >> this is about the ftc, remember they hired paul weiss. everyone is scared the ftc will come down hard on them. >> chico's. >> only a few retailers look good, williams-sonoma and urban outfittersment maybe this can join them. >> goldman raising estimates on ebay. >> that seems to have nothing. i think it's a buy. people seem to be wanting to leave it. >> barclay's likes joy global. >> joy global. talk about risk/reward. like the iron ore trade every joe contin rio tinto. >> two weeks ago the ipo market was dead. now it's red hot.
you so much, simon. time for six in swing state 60. six stocks in 60 seconds. jim, who's in ohio. we'll start with united rentals. >> yesterday the stock was up gigantically. why? the renting of capital equipment is strong. i think that's a positive sign for the economy. >> we haven't talked much ebay. earnings last night? >> carl, i think you guys are going to be discussing it with simon. this was a triquarter for paypal. that's what matters. much better growth than american express, which was open. >> was key corp. the best earnings so far? >> i think key corp. actually tops citigroup as far as being the best. this was really good data interest margin. the only other one that had it is citi. >> ibc downgrading potash. >> potash needs to lower its costs. the way to do that is use american natural gas. more on that tonight. >> mellanox, you say is blowing up. >> this is an israeli based company. they did tepid guidance. not enough. >> and lowering the value on facebook. >> i can't emphasize enough. there's a big lock-up. be careful, facebook. >> you've got a lot tonight, and it's not
stock. we'll also talk to james stewart. >>> thank you simon, do want to check on mcdonald's. we were curious to know when the last time comps were negative. prior to that you have to go back to april of 2003 before you can find negative comps globally when they were doubt.8. >> and they're seeing them be negative for the first time since 2003. >>> general electric is up 6%, and the company says the growth for the year will be a little less than people were expecting. we should say transportation profits, energy infrastructure up 13%. g.e. capital is one of the reasons why they had to pull back that number for the year as well as they continue to shrink that. >> the took in a very significant move. it's not that long ago and it's about the industrial businesses for which remain in tact. >> back in september it was a big structure day and people walked away extremely bullish from that. >> so, all right, there are new details today about goldman sachs memoir. more of his op-ed that was out months ago. he gives insight into the muppet context. being a muppet meant being an idiot, or tool
side? >> simon, i think what ryan should actually do is follow the boss' lead and i think that it's gotten the campaign to where they are today. they have the momentum. and i would like to see congressman ryan keep it going. i think can he do every bit of that. when you think about what the issues are here, there is such a sharp contrast, differences, between the two campaigns. and i think vice president biden actually has got to make up for some of the lost ground that the president got their campaign into last week. i think it's a very tough uphill battle for vice president biden. if he comes across tonight as too aggressive, i mean he needs to be aggressive. but if he's an attack dog, i think he's going to push them further into a hole. i think that congressman ryan, based on what i've seen over the course of the last several months, he is very thoughtful. he's calm, he collects his thoughts and he portrays a very good image for the campaign. >> dennis, we'll leave it there. thank for your time and analysis on two very important topics today. sprint and the debate. >> don't ton
simon joins us from denver. he says, quote, the romney campaign is not in a state of disarray. it never got arrayed in the first place. he'll talk about his article that says mitt needs to kick butt. join our conversation on twitter. you can find my twitter page @tamronhall and reach any team @newsnation. [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. you paid...wow. hmmm. let's see if walmart can help you find the same look for less. okay. see? walmart has all these leading eyewear brands and styles. rockstar! really? yeah. oh, wow! oh, black frame looks good on you. yeah? you can get a complete pair starting at just -- $38. really?! and did you know that our glasses come with a free 12-month replacement guarantee? i didn't know walmart had all this. the price is impressive, the quality is too! come to walmart and see for yourself. find quality eyewear brands starting at just $38. only
and catholics? >> absolutely. there's an amazing story- you've heard of the mennonites- simon menno? he is one of the ones that tries to get some common ground, because when this explodes, this anabaptist fervor- for instance, the town of munster, a group of radical anabaptists took over the town, and they said, "jesus is coming back at any time now, and we need to be holy." so they took over the town, and they actually persecuted lutherans and catholics in it. well, shortly thereafter, an army made up of both protestants and catholics surrounded the town, and many people were- died. now out of that, someone, like mennonites, like simon, comes out of there and says, "we have to have a more neutral path." and so a certain set of doctrines were developed that the amish eventually draw on. jacob amman, the founder of the amish, tries to find a ground that is not radical, that is not so disruptive, but keeps that wall there. and we look to that period of time, where we're talking about the avoidance- you've heard of the shunning, or avoidance, the ban- that becomes part of it. if somebody has fall
to have producers tell you to your face that nicki is the best judge since simon. oh, poor you, keep them lies coming. >> ow. ow. >> i've don't know what is going on. rough behind the scenes, which will help ratings of course. >> yeah, little something intertwined. >> stay tuned. >> well, chris brown, rihanna. >> more drama. >> you remember the whole incident with them, getting into it. and, well apparently, he's dumped his girlfriend, model. and he is back with rihanna, the rumors. they were at a jay-z concert. they were seen hooking up. >> hooking up at a club in new york. >> so, are they back together? are they not? he dumped the girlfriend apparently. >> that's the big development this morning. he is out of there. spotted leaving her hotel. spotted getting their groove on in the hotel. breaking up with his girlfriend. he said he broke up with her because of his friendship with rihanna. think what you will about them. you saw how it ended the first time. right? >> the debate. the debates go on and on and on. tmz caught up with jim lehrer moderator of the debate. there was this whole co
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